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The Greek philosopher Plato wrote of the legendary city of Atlantis in his dialogues of Critias and Timaeus.  Scholars debate whether or not Plato fabricated this story of Atlantis to be told as a parable or if the story was based on an actual myth from antiquity.

In any regard, there have been hundreds of books, magazine articles, blogs, television shows, documentaries, alien conspiracies and other works produced that have tried to correlate the Atlantis legend to a location on a map.

I am of the opinion that Atlantis, and other stories such as the Lost Continent of Mu, are merely faint memories of man’s distant past and are actually related to the 120 meters rise in sea level since the last glacial maximum.

Nothing mystical, nothing magical, just sea rise and the tendency for humans to settle and construct defensive formation on shorelines; getting covered up by water over time as the polar caps and glaciers melt and freeze during interglacial periods.

Yonaguni Underwater FormationsI have been following the discovery of underwater sites for quite a few years.  Each time one of these sites is found, some skeptic will show up and do their best to debunk the site as a naturally occurring formation.  I believe in a healthy amount of skepticism, but sometimes skeptics also resort to speculation when trying to dismiss potential discoveries.

Take for example, the underwater rock formations of YonaguniThe Yonaguni underwater rock formations are located to the south of Japan and east of Taiwan.  The top of the formation is about 5 meters below the surface and extends down another 20 meters.  Skeptics of Yonaguni proclaim that it is no different than the Giant’s Causeway, or perhaps Old Rag Mountain.  But if you visit the links for those formations or do some image searching, you won’t see anything similar to Yonaguni.  To me, Yonaguni looks more like Machu Picchu (pictured below) than something obviously created by nature such as Giant’s Causeway.  One of the skeptical arguments related to the Yonaguni site is that earthquakes caused the rock to shear into geometric shapes, which is possible of course.

Machu Picchu, Peru

In 1954, Leicester Hemmingway (Ernest Hemmingway’s brother), took an airplane from the United States to Havana, Cuba.  Hemingway was looking out the window of the plane and at one point exclaimed “A city of glistening marble” was visible below the sea.  He then spent the next forty years of his life looking for it, but never found it.  In 2009, a team of researchers found what they believe to be a sunken city in the western Carribean; roughly 40-70 feet below the surface of the water.

Sunken city

At 40 to 70 feet below the surface, this site close to Havana would be roughly 4-9 thousand years old.

I talk to people who often tell me, “We know more about space than our own oceans.  We should spend more time examining the oceans.”  There is a certain wisdom to those words as we seem to discover things thought previously improbable by science.

It seems that new species are discovered such as once thought to be extinct plants and sea life, giant squids and extremophiles each time we set out to explore the ocean’s depths.

(See parts 1 and 2 of the Legends of the Great Flood post below)


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Global warming is a controversial topic and the reason for the controversy has a lot more to do with economics and semantics than science.  To me, the whole semantics of the argument are divisive and need to be broadened and simplified.

All one has to do is ignore the reports from CNN, BBC and FOX News and spend ten minutes reading about the cycles of glaciation on this planet to understand what is happening.

Since the end of the last ice age roughly 12,500 years ago, the global sea level has risen roughly 360 feet.  What caused the rise is of course a combination of natural processes already underway, additional heat entropy and gas venting caused by the occasional volcanic eruption and most likely the presence of 7 billion energy-consuming, modern humans.

Our planet is currently in what is known as an interglacial (time between glacial periods) called the Holocene epoch, depicted in these images.  It seems that ice and permafrost have a role in locking up CO2 and methane and when they melt, it gets released.  What is very interesting and uncanny to me are the potential timeline correlations between the ‘Flood myths’ common to most cultures on Earth that I refer to in my post below.  To me, the correlation from man’s memory of a global flooding catastrophe and observed science is related to what scientists call a ‘meltwater pulse’, which happened at times to varying degrees both on a local and global level- perhaps explaining man’s ‘Flood myths’.

What has everyone excited about global warming is that this natural process of our ice melting and reforming could be accelerating now.  This would cause sea levels to rise, perhaps rapidly, perhaps not.  In any regard, this fear of sudden or prolonged sea level rise is both healthy and logical in my opinion.

My hope for the argument of global warming is that maybe a few people read this post and it slightly alters their perception of this topic as well as their understanding that ancient man can speak to us from the past, even if only through myth.

Conservatives could look to religious doctrine such as our Great Flood and align them with scientific fact.  Examine this article I found on the National Center for Science Education website>

Liberals could re-align the semantic of global warming to a broader pattern of climate change and apply a more non-divisive method of attacking the problem of human interaction within the environment.

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The Great Flood, or Flood myth  as academia refers to it, is a story that is shared by most major cultures around the world explaining massive loss of life caused by water levels rising and an excess of rain.

Some prominent examples, but there are far more:

  • Christian/Judaism/Islam- Great Flood.  Man and family build craft to escape waters loaded with the animals of the Earth.
  • Mesoamerican- World is destroyed by water in the Fourth Sun.  Only one couple survives.
  • India- Manu saves mankind from a global flood.
  • Egypt- Book of the dead reference to a flood of antiquity.
  • China- Great Flood that continued for two generations.
  • Babylonian- Gilgamesh flood story.
  • Greek, Finnish, Native North Americans, Maasai in Africa.
  • In fact, there are more than 500 cultures that retell this story from their cultural and geographic perspective.

But is this only myth or the collective memory of mankind, passed down through the millennia via oral tradition?  Thinking about this since I was a child and doing quite a bit of reading, there are some uncanny pieces of evidence supporting the idea of a global flood and perhaps massive loss of life correlative to certain time periods:

  • Not more than 13,000 years ago, much of the continent of North America was mostly covered with ice.  This ice is known to have been as thick as 2 miles and caused sea levels to rise after melting.
  • Europe and Siberia were covered in massive glaciers as well.  This ice also melted and caused sea levels to rise.
  • Herodotus, the Greek historian well-known as being the first (at least Western) historian visited Egypt circa 450B.C.  During his visit, he documented what he saw in a book called “An Account of Egypt” (free book on amazon/itunes).  In this book, Herodotus witnessed salt incrustations part-way up the sides of the Great Pyramid.  Upon excavation of the Queens chamber and other parts of the pyramid, archaeologists discovered more heavy salts deposited on the interior walls.  I have only seen pseudo-science explanations for these salt deposits.. flooding makes the most sense in my opinion.
  • The Arab historian al-Biruni (973-ca – 1050) is also credited with noting that the pyramids were found to have salt encrustations on their sides before the casings on the pyramids were removed by the Sultans.
  • Most of the world’s modern ancient and great societies have calendars that call our world/era roughly 5000 years old, no matter where they originate geographically.  China’s calendar is 5000 years old, so is the Mesoamerican, Hebrew and many more.
  • There is evidence for a massive comet hitting our planet roughly 5,000 years ago as postulated by Bruce Masse, an environmental archaeologist at Los Alamos National Laboratory.
  • Yonaguni in Japan and other currently underwater formations that at least appear to be man-carved are being examined.

I have also read many articles written by respectable scientists and researchers that attempt to debunk or minimize the stories of a great flood; castigating the stories as religious or superstitious beliefs related to a specific geographic area and its social mores.

On the flip side of the coin, you have what I will call ‘religious researchers’- not usually researchers at all- but simply people of faith that are well-funded looking to locate the resting place of Noah’s Ark on Mt. Ararat or something.. again this usually takes the form of speculation instead of research that has scientific control variables.

Just as today, the major cities of Earth sat on the world’s shorelines.  As a former sailor, I know the relationship that sea transport has to logistics and projection of power.  If our polar caps melt off in our lifetimes, most projections show that we are in for some trouble.  Remember Fukushima last year? The relevance is that almost all nuclear power plants are located on the coasts for cooling purposes.  Tokyo, New York, London, Amsterdam and most other major coastal cities on Earth would be submerged.  In short, rising sea levels will cause a cataclysm on man because resources that were once plentiful will become scarce– and fast.  Populations would surge for high-ground and conflict would ensue.

To me, it is silly that the questions of where the flood took place are being scrutinized.  It seems that everyone has an agenda when religious topics are examined.  Perhaps my agenda is to simplify the question and step back a little bit to a more common frame of reference, at least on a global scale, and play the philosopher.  Let’s try William of Occam, whose Occam’s Razor postulate states in paraphrase “other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one.”

Due to the volume of ice on land at glacial maximum, sea level was approximately 120 meters lower than present!  The ice that used to lock all that fresh water up on land was melted into the rivers to be carried out to sea.  All that fresh water killed man and fish, led to destabilization in environment and a mass extinction occurred.. perhaps more than once in human memory.

Questions for thought:

Are any of these myths and their timelines correlative on a global scale?

As the giant sheets of land and sea ice melted, is it possible that this could have destroyed many of the existing structures on Earth?  (sorry this is leading, but ties into one of my ideas I will publish here about why only stable stone structures from antiquity remain.)

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